Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

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Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Dexter » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:19 pm

I recently picked up some old wines at auction at a cheap price.

One of them is a 1963 Mildara Coonawarra Cabernet Shiraz. Although the little brother of the Peppermint Pattie, I notice on the Langtons price guide that the price range for this is $250-300 and it last sold at Langtons in 2011 for $240. Incidentally that's more than the Peppermint Pattie. Fortunately, I paid nowhere near this but I'm wondering if anyone out there knows whether this wine was comparable in quality (and longevity) to the straight cab sauv and, if not, why the high price tag at Langtons?
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Dexter » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:22 pm

It's now been pointed out to me that the last Langton's sale of a Peppermint Patty was $878.

In any event, I'd be interested if anyone has had any experience with the Cab Shiraz.
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby falls » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:20 pm

Hi Dexter,
I have had that wine a couple of times, but not for at least 15 years. I have also been lucky to experience the 63 Cabernet many many times, over 50 I would guess. Unfortunately, in the couple of tastes, the Cab-shiraz bears no resemblance whatsoever to the famous Cabernet. I remember it as just holding in there at the last showing, but I hope you have better luck. It is a joke to see the price, some funny business going on there. Langton's should not allow that.
Having said that, $878 seems an amazingly good price for the real deal, if provenance is good, for me it is my all-time favourite Oz wine and actually my all time fave wine full stop.
I will never forget my 40th dinner party in 1998, where ol' Peppermint Pattie absolutely blew away all the contenders, including a pristine Penfold's 1962 60A, a 55 Grange, 53 Bailey's and the Lindies 3110 from 65. In fact, I was a little pissed that I seemingly wasted these gems in the presence of utter perfection. After bubbling on about the 60A, we all went into shocked silence when Patty was poured.
Anyway, good luck with it, let it slow-ox a few hours before.
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Dexter » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:04 pm

Thanks falls,

That's very helpful. Will be opening it soon so hopefully I can have something positive to report.
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby michel » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:09 am

drink up
a friend recently had a PP and it was past its previous best
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby falls » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:27 am

yep, at 50+ years, you need good provenance for this wine to still be great. I had a bottle 20 years ago, perfectly cellared, that was past it, but many perfect bottles since. As always, once you get past 50 years, you can never find great wines, only great bottles.
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby michel » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:29 am

falls wrote: you can never find great wines, only great bottles.


that is a fact
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Dexter » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:01 pm

Well, this was not a great bottle and probably never a great wine, but it was still just hanging in there. Under a layer of oxidation was still some fruit. Those who tried it with me did not like it much, but I was reasonably impressed that after 51 years there was still some life in it.

Drunk at my 40th birthday gig along with some more impressive performers:
An 2002 Jasper Hill Georgias which was on song
Likewise a 2000 Craiglee
An 04 RWT which is developing secondary characteristics but has probably just entered its drinking window
An 07 Kalleske Johann Georg which is still a pup and a Kalleske 06 Greenock Shiraz which has just entered its window
A sublime Buller Rare Tokay
A 2012 Mt Langi Cliff Edge which is one of the best QPR wines right now.
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Artist FKAN » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:27 pm

michel wrote:drink up
a friend recently had a PP and it was past its previous best


We'll try again in October ;-)
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby michel » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:38 am

Artist FKAN wrote:
michel wrote:drink up
a friend recently had a PP and it was past its previous best


We'll try again in October ;-)


woop woop :jocolor:
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Re: Old wine query - Mildara Cabernet Shiraz 1963

Postby Lincoln » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:34 pm

Artist FKAN wrote:
michel wrote:drink up
a friend recently had a PP and it was past its previous best


We'll try again in October ;-)


really?
grandpa! :afro:
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